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  • Posted by joe 3 years ago. There are 4 posts. The latest reply is from toddtyrtle.
  1. The Star explores the idea of implementing an Idaho Stop type law for cyclists and stop signs (cyclists slow down and only proceed if the way is clear).


    • Do cyclists need to stop at a stop sign?

      The rolling stop – or, in some cycling circles, the Idaho Stop – is as popular as it is illegal, and there are those who will tell you it's also perfectly safe. Bambrick, among other cycling supporters and bloggers, is advocating its legalization, citing common sense and a compelling precedent.

      Cyclists in Idaho have been legally permitted to treat stop signs as yield signs since 1982. And though the Idaho law was brought in by legislators to help relieve the pressure on a crowded traffic-court system, cycling-savvy proponents of its further spread argue it would make cycling more efficient, more appealing and ultimately more popular. In places bent on curbing car usage, it's a compelling argument.

      Writing new traffic laws for a community of cyclists notorious for shirking the ones already on the books, of course, is also an inflammatory argument. Before fed-up motorists clog the rant-radio phone lines in opposition, Bambrick begs a moment to explain.

      "(The Idaho Stop) is not just blowing a stop sign," said Bambrick. "It's slowing down enough so that you could come to a stop if you needed to. You slow down, you look right, you look left, you look right again, you look ahead ... I really think it's something worth pursuing. It's been proven effective in Idaho for some 20 years. If they can do it down there, why can't we give it a try in Toronto?"

    I wrote a little blurb about the Idaho Stop in the forthcoming Dandyhorse magazine too.

  2. The IdahoStatesman noticed the above Star story, and made a few comments:

    • You've seen it (or done it yourself): Slowing down at a stop sign on a bicycle, but not stopping (unless you have to).

      In Idaho, it's perfectly legal. Not so, evidently, in Canada.

      "There's an unwritten law, the law of preservation of momentum, that all cyclists follow," Yvonne Bambrick, the executive director of the Toronto Cyclists Union, told the paper.

      But they have a name for that kind of rolling stop — at least in some cycling circles, the Star reports: The Idaho Stop.

      "Cyclists in Idaho have been legally permitted to treat stop signs as yield signs since 1982," the story continues. "And though the Idaho law was brought in by legislators to help relieve the pressure on a crowded traffic-court system, cycling-savvy proponents of its further spread argue it would make cycling more efficient, more appealing and ultimately more popular. In places bent on curbing car usage, it's a compelling argument.

      Of course, like most stories about Idaho, there's a shot at our isolation...

      "Mind you, whether or not Idaho's example is relevant to Ontario – and any change to traffic law would be a provincial matter – is debatable. In 1982, the population of Boise, Idaho's biggest city, was about 100,000. Today, Boise's population is about double that, which means it's the size of Saskatoon, which means it is home to less than one-third of Scarborough's populace. In other words, if a bike rolls through a stop sign at an otherwise-deserted intersection, what's the harm?"

  3. I remember this being called the "California Stop" in Bicycling Magazine about 20 years ago. But whatever. I am among those who will come to a so-close-as-makes-no-nevermind stop at a stop sign, and only dab if I start to lose my balance. But then I've been dancing on my bike for over 50 years. If you have not yet learned to do a trackstand, please put your foot down. And pay attention to the handsignals of the guy with the ponytail on the old Bianchi Boardwalk in front of you, please? I've been nearly clipped by cyclists who thought I was legally obliged to blow through stop signs because they wanted to ...

    • And pay attention to the handsignals of the guy with the ponytail on the old Bianchi Boardwalk in front of you, please? I've been nearly clipped by cyclists who thought I was legally obliged to blow through stop signs because they wanted to ...

    This brings up a good point no matter what side of the issue you're on and that is: React to what you actually are seeing, not what you expect to see. Don't assume that car's going to yield to you, don't assume that door will stay closed as you ride by, don't assume that that person (car or bike) is going straight because they didn't signal.

    The idea that you can't assume what's going to happen based on what's <I>supposed</I> to happen but instead need to pay attention and work together is much of what makes Naked Streets work so well in many cases.

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